1001 – The Journeying Soul Podcast

On today’s show, the Journeying Soul welcomes a man with a lovely heart: Dr. Joseph Gallenberger. Joe is a clinical psychologist who has created courses and taught for decades at the Monroe Institute, famous for the U.S. government’s secret Stargate program and for identifying the ability of binaural beats to induce altered states of consciousness.

We discuss Joe’s experiences with after death communication, out of body experience, and manifestation. We also discuss how people can approach learning psychokinesis and expanding their own abilities with ADC, OOB, and manifestation.

Where to Find Our Guest

SyncCreation

📚Books by Joe Gallenberger

Liquid Luck: The Good Fortune Handbook

Inner Vegas – Creating Miracles, Abundance, and Health

Heaven Is For Healing

Brothers Forever: An Unexpected Journey Beyond Death

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More About Our Guest

Dr. Joe Gallenberger is a clinical psychologist with over 30 years experience as a therapist and a great interest in the universal principles of manifestation. In 1995, he began exploring psychokinesis, the ability to influence matter through non-physical means. He has achieved statistically powerful results in university laboratories and, after advancing his methods over years of study, began to teach this skill to groups that share his passion and interest in the fundamentals of manifestation.

Dr. Gallenberger offers a variety of programs designed to expand consciousness through delight. His SyncCreation® home study course, and ninety-nine Inner Vegas Adventure Workshops™ have taken participants into fascinating states of power and intuition. His students achieve strong altered states of consciousness and energy, resulting in dramatic physical and psychological healing, strong influence over dice and slot machines, and many beautiful manifestations in participant’s lives at home.

Joe is also a long-time meditator and a trainer for 30 years at the world-famous Monroe Institute®, which teaches expanded human consciousness to an international clientele. Robert Monroe, whom Joe knew personally, founded the Institute and was a pioneer in consciousness exploration. Joe trains a spectrum of Monroe courses and he developed the Institute’s highly successful MC² (Manifestation and Creation Squared) program.

Joe also offers meditation exercises on CD and Download including: Manifesting with Hemi-Sync®, Partners Meditation, Liquid Luck, Abundance Waterfall, The Healing Heart, The Abundant Heart, The Ocean Heart, and The Forgiving Heart.

Transcript

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most of the things you see out there are affecting matter with your mind and Ma and visualization from manifesting and I
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don’t think that’s very very accurate I think that’s more like the Mind as a steering wheel of a car it just sets
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direction of intention the car goes nowhere without gas the best gas we found for this and
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for life is unconditional love so having that flowing plus intention is when you
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get these quote Miracle results
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I’d like to welcome to the journeying soul Dr Joseph gallenberger how are you doing today Joe
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hello thank you so much for coming on the show yeah my sounding okay to you
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sometimes uh when I go on Zoom I sound like a mouse until I go on twice you’re good you’re good let us begin so you are
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a clinical psychologist by trade but have been since in the Monroe Institute
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since the early 90s did you know Bob Monroe yes I uh you know I did not know
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him well like a best friend but working up there um for about 10 weeks a year
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for the last 30 years uh in the early part of that while he was living uh we’d
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have occasion to sit on a hill together and look at the birds uh flying in The Thermals and him talking about new ideas
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for new things uh in his uh meditations um how life was going for
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him those kind of things and also a little bit what was going in on in my life so I also got to see him talk in
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front of many many groups and U he was a great uh presenter if you will and would
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hold the audience and wrapped attention for hours as he talked you knew him towards the end of his life I guess that
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overlap what else was he looking to do it’s actually consistent with what he wanted to do let me give you the
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evolution initially he wanted to run 5,000 people through using brain wave
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patterning exercises on on headphones using sound to see if he could duplicate
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what he called his Auto Body Experience um because he thought that 5,000 people would be a good research
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base for that uh and uh quickly it broadened into as he began programs in
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this uh people discovering all kinds of things contacts with guides visiting
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loved ones who had passed many different things that he may not have been expecting in the beginning so by the end
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of his life his feeling was more um that
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his work could help the world reduced its level of fear
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because it would lose its fear of death for one and that was behind a lot of our
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our problems is survival orienting we you know do a lot of things to try to uh
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survival of the fittest if you will so by gentling that out and seeing that we survive physical death in some form he
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felt that many of the world’s problems would be able to shift and and be eased
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so his goal which he passed on uh to the people who now are in charge was that he
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thought if they could they’ve concretized this into if they can get 1%
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of the world to experience uh some alteration and conscious awareness either through
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Monroe Institute technique or other meditation techniques that they think
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that that will be very transformative so the Monroe institute’s goal at this point is to reach 8 million people I
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think by maybe 2030 I’m not sure on the date but uh so
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they’ve expanded into having a free app you can get on the phone with meditations there’s a paid subscription
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to that that goes even deeper when M Bob was in live he was
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doing mainly weeklong workshops intensive residential that took quite a bit of commitment of time and money
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now they’ve broadened into uh 2hour workshops three-hour workshops half day
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full day 3- day one long week but virtual that started with covid and and
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also the residential so they’re trying to create a larger funnel where people can come in at whatever level they might
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be interested in if that was just to learn Technologies to relax and sleep
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better to um to work with energy healing
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contac and guidance better higher creativity that there’d be something at the institute for them that would gently
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push them more to understand uh that they’re more than their physical body
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their personality their gender role uh their job at work and that we might be
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Spiritual Beings having a physical experience if you will um so that’s what’s uh going on at the Institute
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since he died how did how did your family feel you’re you got a degree in
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Psychology you’re a clinical psychologist you’re you’re a doctor in the family how did they feel when you
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went to Monroe did they have an opinion about it one way or the
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other um I would say it would be variable though all my family ethos was
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to respect each person’s Journey so um I was thinking of becoming a monk when I
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was 12 13 years old I applied and went to uh a monastery and my parents
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reaction to that was whatever you decide you know if it’s genuine and you’re an
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Integrity um you know we applaud your your path in life whatever that might be
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most of my family was very business-oriented uh presidents and vice presidents of very large companies and
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things and so being a doctor was a Divergence from that um by itself uh
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then in in terms of being caregiving which I saw you know the doctor role as um a legitimate one um I presented this
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which was true the mro was giving me a technology through these meditations on
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headphones where I could handle people’s anxiety depression issues and what have you much much more rapidly and
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effectively than some of the talk therapy or in combination with that
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things went better so they were fine with that as you get into the out of- body parts uh and contacting people who
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passed to the other side then my family would diverge uh a bit there um my my mother
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and and a few brothers were highly interested and my father and and some
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other siblings would been a little more conservative on that word but they still didn’t they were interested in listening
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uh but they wouldn’t have any inclination to try that themselves the folks that weren’t if you
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will but since you had the desire to become a monk they it was sort of in your wheelhouse I guess but also more
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importantly you you probably knew how to meditate before you got to you know you started to work at the
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Monroe Institute I would think I I was more in the um the monk area was
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Catholic and they teach uh various forms of prayer so supplicative prayer which
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would be Lord would you buy me a mercedesbenz to um to uh intercessory
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prayer help someone else to U praising to contemplation and I was aware of
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those kinds of things um the monastery was in basically mostly silence all you
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know except for classes at that time so there was um a lot of that background
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but I didn’t have any formal like TM training or making your mind blank kind of meditation type of training and in
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fact Monroe doesn’t really strive to do that they have a uh about a 10-minute
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beginning to most meditations that is designed to quiet ego and open the heart and after that
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when something comes up they engage with it as either something to look at or a
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message versus thinking that would be a distraction like you might in some other meditative
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systems um but yeah I had some um how did how was it for you um when you first
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some familiarity U with the idea of looking inside and uh and
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um finding that of benefit so self-reflective I guess you’d
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say um how did how was it for you um when you first
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started meditating let’s say through with the Monroe techniques as opposed to
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what you had done did did somebody teach you this or is it just purely here’s the
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headphones uh frankly I got a bootlegged copy of an old cassette from a rebel
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yeah one of his m5000 program which has gone into a be as the Monroe institute’s
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Gateway program now and um the person said sh don’t tell anybody and you know
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but listen to this it blew me away it it empowered meditation so beautifully that
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within minutes you are deeply deeply relaxed maybe more so than ever in your life and then beginning to connect with
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u uh higher energies creativity six senses six sense uh things beyond your
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five physical senses um so that was an introduction
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but I pretty rapidly went up to Monroe Institute and in the Gateway found it one of the most profound weeks of my
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life in terms of uh opening my eyes to what is possible um in terms of our
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connection to Spirit while we’re still in body if you will what was it like the first time you
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walked into the Institute did you feel like you’d found your people yeah I uh I was buzzing before I
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even got there I was excited um a friend of mine came uh that
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I hadn’t seen in years unexpectedly the night I was going to drive up to Virginia from North Carolina and we
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stayed up till midnight talking so I left in the middle of the night and uh about 3:00 a.m. I stopped I was tired
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someplace in rural Virginia and it was very humid I went in got a hotel room
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laid down couldn’t sleep I was too excited got back up and said Gee I wish I hadn’t had to pay for this room I only
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was in it 20 minutes but I went to the desk to pay the the guy and I paid him and it was about 20 bucks that’s how
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long ago it was and when I walked out of the door there was a freshly folded $20
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bill completely dry on the step and uh Miracle things like that happened all
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all the way up to the Institute um when I got there it felt like home um it was
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so good to talk to people about things that I thought uh were quite weird and maybe other people hadn’t experience and
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it The Institute is great because it has no Dogma so it attracts atheists and Buddhists and fundamentalist ministers
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Republicans and Democrats and and they everybody respects each other while they’re there and gets along well um so
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it did feel like Community um and the meditations were very deep I had some
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out of body experiences which I had had spontaneous in my life but this was more
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controlled uh but also you know feelings of connection with spirit
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that years of prayer had not really uh taken me as deeply as within that week
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um so I was real impressed I wanted to go back which I did pretty quickly after two or three times I said this is
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getting expensive and decided I’d like to be a trainer this is 33 years ago
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maybe uh and it got accepted uh they have a very strong Apprentice program to be a trainer you got to go through quite
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a few steps and um I did that and so I’ve been training there I think 30 plus years um
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as a result and one of the big things I’d been to other workshops where there was kind of a guru feeling and you had
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to wear an orange robe or believe something to be accepted and this had
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none of that and that appealed to me as well as a scientific basis they were using 128 lead EGS measuring brain wave
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patterns being able to put things on paper uh to prove that this wasn’t just
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all wishful thinking so I was really impressed at the research base of the Institute as
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well you were there I think you were there had gotten there right before
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there was um an article in the Wall Street Journal I guess the front page story that sort of outed I guess the I
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don’t know if it outed the army or if it out or the government or if it outed the Monroe Institute but the story broke
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that the government was had partnered with the Monroe Institute what was the
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vibe in The Institute when that story came out okay well some of these things now
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are being combined that I don’t think go together but there was a New York Times article and it resulted in a lot of
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people wanting to come and then wanting Stak and fil in yond okay and and when
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there would be an article at that same time there was one in Mother Earth News and all those people came and wanted
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vegetarian fair and you know very different audiences uh from different
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articles as well as Bob’s original books and so um the kitchen was having fits
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trying to figure out which kind of meals to serve as the audiences would change
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um the military things were kept quite uh they weren’t trying to be kept secret
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but they were uh as everybody’s uh who goes there their privacy was respected
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so if you have an army general or you had a rock star or you had a Hollywood
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bigname Hollywood person there that would not be disclosed right that would be you still had almost you almost had
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like the you know your background like a psychologist sense of privacy that people are coming here to kind of work
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because we knew we we knew you know with the right to privacy somebody would get fired from their job even if their
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employer found out they were engaged in something quotes weird so that’s going
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on now there was an article that came out about the Gateway program this Premier program uh where the CIA and
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other government organizations were researching remote viewing the ability to sense things without regard to time
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or distance and whether the Gateway program could help them increase
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accuracy reduce burnout uh increase the quickness in which
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somebody could get into the meditative state to do this kind of uh psychic work
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and that article then recently has hit the the news uh with a missing page
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which was actually just a page that was forgotten to be xeroxed um copied when they did it but
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it it caught the attention of a lot of uh influencers currently on on the web
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and so there’s been quite a surge in the last year about that article from the
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CIA um because frankly a lot of people didn’t even know the Institute existed so it brought into mind um uh that a
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little more and uh and that group are you know everybody that comes is curious
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The Wall Street Journal people were curious in one way or another some of them like this information to be able to
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perhaps to handle ego better when they would make trading in the markets and maybe even
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increase their intuition those kind of things um the uh Mother Earth News
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article might have accented something very different such as out of body and
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so you get people with a variety interest coming there so what so it seemed to me in just
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looking at the Timeline that that article coming out led to or influenced the the
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government wrapping up some work with with on on I guess it was um with the
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Monroe Institute um and and or pulling funding what what followed What did the
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and I don’t know if you can say did the work really keep going on under another name or was it something that the
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Institute had to adjust to am I right about that I am not privy
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to the deepest layers of finances with all of this okay from from the layer of
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which I was operating getting paid to be a consultant trainer you know they’re not we’re not employees they they hire
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people to come in from four to 10 weeks a year um and looking at how things are
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renovated buildings being built or whatever it would be it seemed like um
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there was not a huge change depending on what the military was doing I I think
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that was a fair Fairly aside um interest in the main thrust of
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The Institute it was siloed off were coming you know to explore things but
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Joe MCM monacle is I I feel one of the world’s best remote viewers he was a
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remote viewer 001 in the government program that went for 20 years he ended up marrying one of
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Bob’s uh children he lives up there he still talks in many of the programs
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there about remote viewing and has his own remote viewing program there that has been there for at least the last 20
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years so that continuity is continued um
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and uh you’re right in terms of the the
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formal remote viewing program under the name Stargate and Grill flame and
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several other government names as best we know officially ended um there’s
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still quite a bit of government interacting with remote viewers of that
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level quality to find lost children to solve crime to find Temple sites in
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Japan to uh do many things and and I would not be surprised if sometimes they
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are um queried about significant military concerns but again that would
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not be something I would be privy to nor the general public that would usually
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happen at higher levels of security clearance that than I would have that’s for
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sure switching to the personal so your brother Peter um committed suicide about
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two years before you you know started at Monroe was that it doesn’t sound from
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what you said previously that that was any that was a motivating factor for joining Monroe but it sounds a little bit like it was Kismet that it put you
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there um yes so just to correct timeline a little bit um I had already gone to
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Monroe for a few years before becoming a trainer so I was um had taken their
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Gateway program and their second program called guidelines and a third program which is a brand new program called
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Lifeline which involved helping people on the other side and transitioning from
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Death uh I was in the first program as a participant and my brother committed
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suicide or committing suicide is not what we say anymore um trying he died by
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Suicide um about a week after that first program um and um it was helpful to me
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to have the Monroe group uh hone in on him on the other side and helpful to me
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in terms of my communication with him so I wrote a book brothers forever and a followup 20 years later called Heaven is
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for healing about what’s G on on the other side for him and what went on in my life here for the last 20 years um
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and The Institute was helpful in seeing at a knowing basis not just
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belief that every drop of experiences treasured and all death leads to light
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and there’s not any judgment as in traditional uh religious kinds of um
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models but when you die there is more triage about what you need to grow grow and learn and heal depending on your
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life circumstances um so the Institute got to be very
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um woven into my life after my brother’s death but I think it was already already
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the best thing going on in my life if you will in terms of excitement and and new information and growth and in fact I
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even had shared some of that with my brother Pete uh and advocated that he go for a program but he didn’t feel um that
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he could alleviate his depression enough to be able to go and use it constructively but my uh thrill about
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Monroe was going on before before he died so I I want to ask you what was it
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like when you first what did what when you first made a connection with Peter after he had left his physical body when
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you were able to reconnect um
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after his death because suicide often does this I and much the family was very
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fried we were just you know too jazzed up to connect much I used the Monroe
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Institute meditation exercises and was able to calm down and feel kind of an
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Angelic consolation but not not his presence particularly um as a few weeks went by
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and I had more of a sense of his presence the first thing that came and
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I’m not a very visual person I’m more of a knower in meditation uh was a visual sign of a
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street sign that had a gavel like a judge’s gavel with a line through it
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with the thought no judgment and how relieved he was that he wasn’t judged as
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and gone to hell like he would have perhaps expected through religious training he was hoping for a drop of
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God’s kindness if you will and forgiveness and um so he was very thrilled there to
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find such a compassion there um then um he would often show up for me
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in in ways that had humor or uh something that he enjoyed like um he was
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a fancy dresser and uh I’m not known for that um and I was going to be on
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television for the first time about a year after he died and I was in my closet picking out the right tie and
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jacket and I I felt his presence come in really strong and to pick out this tie I
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was on the floor one time on sunlet lit floor on a Persian rug and I was
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teaching my about six-year-old daughter how to play poker with using pennies and
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uh she won like the first 10 hands in a row and I got very serious and said to
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her honey this isn’t how it’s supposed to go and then I felt my brother Pete there very strongly laughing and and uh
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so he would appear in those kind of ways in in meditation he really didn’t want
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to put on the cloak of this lifetime personality this body and and so I had
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better luck when I would view him in some Essence quality like his sense of
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humor and compassion and seeing him as a um a being with nobody you know more as
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Spirit pure spirit and then he was willing to engage and interact
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uh and we’d have um more communication most of it was just love streaming back
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and forth um there was a Channeler I think is best in the world who also was
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talking to Pete for me at that time if you will and she would um would describe
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for me some of the uh appreciation he had for all that I I had done for him to
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try to keep him going in this life um and uh a wistfulness over there knowing
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what he knew now that he probably could have uh made different decisions both in
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life and and to die um at that time so there was that type of
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communication um and then as time went on a little bit more I got some more of
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that type of communication where the uh Channeler was having where it be more
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like a conversation you know I might be walking in the woods and feel his presence and and we’d have
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a little bit of a how’s it going brother kind of conversation both
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ways um when you were in addition to being able to reestablish the your that
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relationship did you do things like U the spoon bending that they I know they
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have a course for it I think it’s MC squared at Monroe did you did you also do
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that um initially in my life designed I’m sorry
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you designed mque s yeah mostly in my life it was uh telepathic type of in
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communication particularly with my mom out of body kinds of things the psychokinesis came when I was up at
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Monroe um and um I had a sense somebody had a headache and if I touched them
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their headache it go away I asked permission they said sure I touched them the headache went away that intrigued me
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but it’s it’s fuzzy you don’t know if it would have gone away anyway or God did it or I did it or they did it and if it
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didn’t go away maybe it’s not supposed to human beings are kind of messy in a research model but very quickly I had
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help was helping Bob Monroe to design a program called lifespan 2000 at that
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point and we had a gaming night uh to practice some of the mental tools we
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were learning and within there I started a dice game uh just as something simple we could do
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and I found I could roll what I wanted on the dice seven sevens in a row for example and that intrigued me um so I
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went to Princeton University it’s Princeton engineering
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anomaly P I always want to get the middle mixed up P lab and I could see
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that um I could do psychokinesis at a very strong rate and so I knew it was real and I could do
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it that got me excited and I moved to going to Vegas to do uh to learn because
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the dice and the um slot machines there are very well regulated there can’t be
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any cheating what was it like when you first let’s say bent the spoon or or did
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you was it just did it feel like oh of course or did you have a little thrill
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what did you feel um well again the dice were the first thing that I was was really surprised about and within that I
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could see through physical matter I could hear Angelic choirs I was rolling dice in patterns like the last Workshop
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we did 48 numbers in a row with no seven seven should come up once in every six rolls by satistics so we uh that was the
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first dramatic stuff and I’d leave flying very high i’ go to a slot machine and said like a royal flesh and hearts
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which is 160,000 did it in the first po that kind of stuff so when spoon bending
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came along I wasn’t having any luck and I thought it was probably crap pardon my French uh could be slight of hand
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magician could be fake yeah there’s a trusted very much in their integrity
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said no Joe it’s real and I wasn’t having any luck until somebody who was good at it put their hand behind my back
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kind of on back of my heart chakra while I was holding the metal and it was a real heavy night of stainless steel wear
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uh and it just became like rubber and melted and so I went w that’s pretty
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cool and once I could see it could be done then I did uh was able to do it
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more and I did develop the MC squar program in Monroe where we do dice rolling and Growing Seeds we’ve had inch
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and a half root growth in 10 minutes in our hands uh with seeds um the metal
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bending even fireplace pokers you know the big heavy metal got pictures of that um have a picture
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of somebody bending a a wooden pencil into a pretzel shape um weird stuff and
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um studying it there’s physicists that look at this the metal looks different
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on a under electron microscope than if you bent it by force uh with a machine
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or something so it can be faked but uh if if it’s metal that you bought
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yourself and it’s really heavy and you’re holding it and you feel it change in your hand then it becomes a knowing
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for you that it’s not fake U so it’s a great training device much like the dice throwing is that this stuff is real and
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and within human capacity and for me uh the energy is the same as used in
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energy healing like to heal a physical body as well as in manifesting what we’d like in life so that’s what I’ve been
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studying the last 20 plus years the U exercise you referenced called liquid
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luck is my opper my trying to take 30 years of this kind of stuff and reduce
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it to 30 minutes to give people a taste and so when they buy that sometimes they
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uh um have w win Lotto tickets and things like that and and get their own
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quote proof something’s going on um so it’s been a focus of mine
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that I liked because the psychokinesis with dice with um slot machines to some
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extent metal bending and that kind of thing can be studied in a laboratory and and you can get statistics there that at
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this point if you summarize all the statistics it’s what we call a seven Sigma event about a trillion to one by
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chance uh that this would only occur by chance and uh so it’s more likely that
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something really is valid here that that these are human capabilities but Alina the
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um the thing to me is it’s very natural but that doesn’t mean easy um sleep is
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natural and if I got tired tonight I go oh I’m getting tired I think I go to
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sleep I yawn a couple times and I lay down and I forget the intention to go to sleep I might think of what I’m going to
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do the next day or something and we fall asleep but if I said to somebody okay
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you know you fall sleep pretty well most of the time yeah okay I’m going to put you on TV I’ll give you a million
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dollars if you fall asleep in the next half hour nobody could do it with an audience watching or most people
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couldn’t because now you’re self-conscious you’re trying too hard you know and the same thing happens with
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metal bending you know if it’s not happening usually the person is trying too hard um and so when we teach metal
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bending it’s really teaching to get out out of fear to build high energy to
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focus it through your heart uh to have a Clarity of intention uh
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versus this is how you make a d di or dice land in a certain pattern or this
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is the way you make seeds grow in your hand we ego doesn’t know how to do it
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and it doesn’t know how to bend metal but if you can get ego out of the way
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then things happen yeah I I mean I did want to ask about the spoon bending because I know that
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the Monroe Institute I think still does a Course once a month in it I don’t know if it’s virtual or but I I saw it on the
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website yeah they do they have a couple hourong around once a month virtual this
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is how you bend metal uh the MC squar program has been going 20 years uh we go
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in a lot more depth about um what you need to do to be able to manifest and
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use this energy for healing as well as metal bending yes so it is being taught this Moon bending by itself in just a
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couple hours um as gives a taste and then MC squared you go into great depth
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and then I have a home study version called syn creation that engages in the metal bending and the seed growing and
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all that with coaching with me so there’s an option to get it various different ways depending how deep you
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want to go but the um the spoon bending and
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the and the luck at the casino and Growing Seeds that’s almost it’s almost
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incidental to where you’re trying to get people to go though isn’t it it’s it’s it’s more the experience of and you can
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fill in the blank I would say you know trying to open your heart open your field you tell
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me yeah uh bottom line I think these are all different excuses to love each other
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in different ways okay and love yourself um within that
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um and I’m going to explain that a little bit more most of the things you see out
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there are affecting matter with your mind and and visualization for manifesting and and even in the
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psychokinesis like the metal bending I don’t think that’s very very accurate I think that’s more like the mind is the
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steering wheel of a car it just sets direction of intention the car goes nowhere without about
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gas the best gas we found for this and for life is unconditional love so having
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that flowing plus intention is when you get these quote Miracle results uh and
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that’s where where I’m trying to go is to use these as feedback devices because in life if somebody
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thought Negative they could think negatively for six weeks before they got a cold or some reflection of that
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negativity if they wanted a soulmate they could pray for the soulmate and
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visualize for a year and it may take even longer than that for that to come in for everything to arrange in perfect
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ESS for the universe to have that happen so you could get discouraged and when
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we’re at the dice table within seconds we get rewarded for being in unconditional love connected to Spirit
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grounded to the Earth Here and Now in the present moment rather than worried about past or future and if we go into
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greed and ego we get punished by withdrawal of money within seconds a very quick training to a more
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enlightened way of living I thought you were gonna tell me you get punished by the casino staff who’s like what are you
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people doing at our dice table no no they they uh they they they watch us and
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they filmed us and whatever but they’re not too worried about us because we’re not trying to make a killing we’re
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betting small amounts and uh say you were you’re in a bed medal today uh
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and the person first tries by gee I’m afraid I won’t be able to do it so fear
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is in the way it’s not going to happen then underneath that is I’m afraid I will be able to do it and if I do it it
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changes my whole concept of reality and all my other beliefs and my sense of power and responsibility in my own life
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and how the universe works so there’s a little bit of fear there too so there’s
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a fear of not doing it or doing it and all that if we gentle that out um the
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first thing people will usually try to do is great effort you know justy like trying to lift the foundation of a house
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and it doesn’t work and so then they have to figure a way to project power without effort and uh people in sports
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know how to do that you know flow States um people that are trained uh you know
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there’s a 10,000 hour rule I don’t know if it’s really a rule but like the Beatles played in clubs around Europe
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before they ever quote became famous by the time they became famous they were at ease with their instrument so um we’re
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trying to teach the the instrument of the body if you will in the mind and the spirit so you know the notes enough well
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enough that you can make music that you couldn’t make before if you will in this case it’s metal bending in another case
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it might be um healing a scratch that you know your cat scratch on your your arm within 5 minutes whatever it might
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be it’s an application of uh Power that we’re not taught in grade school or high
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school or college but is a natural part of our abilities in my opinion does that
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make sense it does it does and I I did want to I I almost feel this is evil
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when you read parts of people’s books back to them sometimes but I’m going to do that okay so um you had said in Vegas
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now this is one of your books in addition to liquid luck that is kind of similar um inner Vegas shows you how to
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apply the energy of the heart to create health and good fortune and how to tame the dragons you may encounter along the
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way I want to talk about the dragons sure so so I’m using the word Dragon for
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fear to me love has no opposite we’ve been talking about love being the energy
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so hate is not the opposite but fear can Cloud love um
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very very cloudy if you will and fear used broadly that would name could be
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cynicism boredom confusion anger like if somebody cuts you off in traffic you
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know the first reaction you’re aware of is anger maybe but right before that was fear that you’re going to be hurt or
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your car was going to be dented so we’re using fear very broadly okay
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um and uh that’s the main challenge is to kind of reduce the
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fear uh and it doesn’t work like some systems try to kill ego you can’t kill
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ego but you can soften it and with that it tends to soften the fears one of the
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big ways like in liquid luck that meditation we mentioned we move into things like happiness gratitude feelings
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of abundance that tends heart gets us out of ego and then we think of things
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where we feel compassion and begin to feel fortunate and then with all of that you might have better
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luck with the lottery ticket so it’s uh it’s a lot of working with reducing fear
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does that help yes question it does I mean I no it’s a diff that’s I think
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this is the most difficult part of the whole process of and also just of being you know when we’re talking about being
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in Carnet um and I know that there are certain schools that just try to replace
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the dragon with gra attitude if you just focus on gratitude which works to some extent um the other thing I did want to
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ask about though is where self-esteem fits into this equation or
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okay or self okay so I’m gonna go back a little bit on the dragons I first when I
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went to Vegas I would find I’m afraid of doing too well and the casino will ban me I’m afraid of not doing well and
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losing my money those would be examples of dragons Okay um and meeting fear with
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courage can work gratitude can work but I found it was easier to melt Fear With Love if I go into love uh which might be
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thinking of my at this point my mom say when I’m at a slot machine or my brother’s people that are on the other
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side I just uh think how much I love them and feel the flow of energy uh like
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we’re in connection and spirit and then once a while say Okay M give me a jackpot or something and pull the handle
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or press the button nowadays and boom the jackpot so that’s what’s going on there esteem
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in general it’s self-concept I would say more than
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self-esteem um so when Ro Institute did an exercise a
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long time ago for to help with golf for people and people started they focused
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in the Imaging and the meditation to drive a long distance and people started driving incredibly but then 70
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putt they had seven putt a whole because their their impression was that they were an 80s golfer a ’90s golfer ’70s
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golfer so that was their self-concept and that’s what you hit um so as I
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started doing real well in Vegas for example the cruise would say Here Comes Mr Lucky and I would say I’m not lucky
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because in my family I was youngest of four boys my my folks had more money
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they were easier on me raising me than my brothers so my brothers would say he’s the lucky one and I say I’m not
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lucky so my self-concept is I earned everything by hard work it was not luck
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and so if you have a concept like that it’s hard for Fortune to bless you um
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yeah because you have to feel you could receive whether you’ve worked for it or not yeah and and say you did well and
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and if but somebody said looked at you said oh you’re just lucky that would be you didn’t deserve it you didn’t put in
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all that effort so Concepts get to be very important there was a guy he wanted
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a job I’m going to try to make this a quick story not have any luck and I said what do you really want and he said a
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job about two months a year in beautiful weather and we had him put that out of
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meditation and he got an advertising boat at the ocean in the Northeast shore
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of United States and uh pretty girl would drive the boat up and down the
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beach Co cola have one side local restaurant the other by the end of the year he had three boats on Alexus and
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this the season was two months long but for most people as soon as you say
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job only two months a year they laugh because for them 60 hours a week 50
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weeks a year equals job so that would be concept there I’ll give you another big
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concept many of the people come to Monro if I put said show of hands how many of you you are Seekers of wisdom Seekers of
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spiritual knowledge all the hands go up I say wouldn’t you rather be a finder
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it’s a different energy okay and and so we can have things that feel really good inside like
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I’m a Seeker I’m you know I’m on a righteous path yet that could get in the
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way of being a finder is that making sense yes it does yes it does so we deal
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with those kinds of things in the home study course in the MC squar program in the three-hour spoon bending Workshop
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they they try to transcend that quickly to get you all excited to show you yes you can do it same kind of the liquid
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luck meditation I do we try to transcend all the issues humans can have and just
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have such a vivid image of having this magic liquid you can drink and have luck
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that you can transcend all that fear and doubt and self-concept issues uh for
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temporarily enough to get a taste of what’s possible so that’s why we do
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that you also um think that that I don’t
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want to say these phenomena but these experiences should be measurable and repeatable they should be we should be
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able to have some harder what people would call harder s science what do you have any idea of like what would be the
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perfect like a really solid experiment like how would you design it how big
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would your group be what would you do
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um yeah I do I do like the idea that we can verify so because you can trick
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yourself you know uh in in ways uh so um
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one one that I like I just is coming to mind that’s quite elegant recently is in
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science we call it fourway double blind nobody knows who’s the experiment group
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and who’s the control group and within that we can take vials of liquid and put
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bacteria in the vial and and so in a vial you might have
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a 100 million bacteria in one vial all right think because bacteria are tiny
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and you can put an antibiotic in there that we know is proven to kill
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95% of the bacteria within 15 minutes let’s say all
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right and then we can have another vial that no knows which is which that energy
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healers have prayed over to protect the vial to protect those bacteria
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inside and then other people who are don’t know which is which will measure
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and in that vial that’s had the protection maybe 90% of the bacteria
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survive for 15 minutes instead of 90% are killed the reason why that’s elegant
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is there’s no placebo effect there’s no people involved you know in powers of
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suggestion and there’s with metal bending for example it’s very messy you
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know the accusation can be I pre- soften the metal I’m using closeand magician
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work I’m you know super strong I went into some kind of hypnotic State like a
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woman lifting a car off a child as if that explains anything but you know
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they’ll come up with weird explanations that bacteria study I just mentioned is
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is very repeated then somebody else can do it in their lab in another lab across the country um and so we look for things
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like that has it been done this experiment or is this something has it been done what you just described done
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and has been done successfully um the ones I’ve participated in they’ll put like 120
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lead EG on my head um so they’re measuring brain wave patterns and they
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will say affect this gray box that has sensors in it for 48 seconds and then
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let 48 seconds rest 48 seconds use the psychokinesis through 100 trials and
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those will come out significant statistically that that the box was different when you’re trying to affect
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it um and and you and in the MC squar program we mentioned we have over a
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decade of data showing groups do that and and accumulate data to statistical
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significance level and that’s a little nicer than just accepting somebody’s word for
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it it get spooky though because if the experiment believes it’s possible it’s more likely that it’ll be a positive
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result and if the experiment believes this can’t can’t possibly work it won’t
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most times so there are experiment effects even in the purest quote of
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science um that that we’re learning about you know in physics they talk
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about the observer effect yeah you also um had some overlap
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with the Department of perceptual studies at UVA yes they I know they do a
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lot of research what did you do with them so that one with 48 seconds on and off I just mentioned was at UVA
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University of Virginia uh division of perceptual studies they’re the ones that
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have also come up to mroe Institute and gathered data for over a decade on the m
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C squ program they have a talented subjects area where they um will bring
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people in who have a reputation of being great healers or what have you uh their
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one of their staff members is also a co-director of research at Monroe Institute and so they have like a copper
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room it’s all copper with shielding and they can measure people’s electrical field and they’ll see higher fields on
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people who are able project energy well um and they coordinate with other
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organizations Ry Institute they used to be with North Carolina University it’s
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separate now uh they have a room where it’s completely dark to the place where
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you could count just a few photons in the room when nobody’s there when a human comes in there’s more photons and
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with a Healer comes in and you say make the room light you know it explodes in light and in terms of what
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they can measure in terms of how many photons so we’re we’re trying to get some objective quod data rather than
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just uh people’s feelings like gee I think I talked to Grandma last night or
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whatever that may well have great validity for the individual and it may be 100% true but it’s hard to replicate
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in the lab yeah I know I have a lot of relatives my dad and my sister and just
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tons of aunts and uncles who are deceased and I had had when my
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grandparents died I I had experiences but I had to say to myself I don’t know if this is real because I want it to be
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you know I want my heart’s desire and then I had a couple one of them was just a couple years ago where my aunt had
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died but I didn’t know it and I had a dream with my father and my sister and my uncle who had died just a month
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before and they were with my aunt who was doing what she would do whenever she would come to our house she always came
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with little goodie bags and things like that and you couldn’t do anything until you dealt with her like she couldn’t
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settle until you took the oldtime magazines and the little casserole she made and in this dream she was doing
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that and my Uncle George looked at me and she said ah she’s okay because she was just unpacking and I woke up in the morning and I said to my mom I said I
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think Aunt Mary’s gone because she was with all our dead relatives and we and we got the call a day and a half later
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that was one of the few experiences that I could say that wasn’t just me because I wanted it that was something you might
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have not wanted the exact you would have wanted the exact opposite yes and and there’s a part where we can lie to
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ourselves very easily when we when our emotions are in a certain place so yeah
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I think the research portion is so important I and just backing up I always think of um the department of perceptual
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studies as doing near-death work that I’d love to talk to them about but that’s what I think of them doing I didn’t realize they they got going
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initially with three Incarnation work uh and have I think 4,000 at least
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documented cases of reincarnation they they were formed by a grant to uh get
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some of that going but they do have uh they broaden out into this area of
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studying energy healing and psychokinesis and and those kind of
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things um maybe not as much telepathy as Institute of noetic science does and
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some other organizations but they they have Bren but you know even with your
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your aunt and many people have that experience they’ll you know even not in a dream they’re walking and all of a
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sudden they know a relative died Skeptics will say you psychically picked
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up that their health was beginning to fail or whatever they will say oh you
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just telepathically picked up something from somebody that knew she was dead
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that’s not much of a explanation because that involves
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psychic functioning as well but they will try their hardest to to not say uh
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this is proof of physical death um or proof of communication uh through the
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veil um you know the interesting thing about Lifeline the program up in Monroe
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it’s been going two decades now is we’ll get some things that are pretty darn
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verifiable where the you know Aunt Melly will die or whatever and she’ll say you
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know look onto the fourth floorboard in this house in the attic and there’s this box and inside the box is this letter
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that explains something that I have to tell somebody and uh they’ll go and they’ll find the letter things that
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would be hard to make up yeah yeah okay Joe are you ready for the lightning
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round a final question I didn’t know there was going to be one I’m GNA take a sip of water before a lightning reset me
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too
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okay okay um so first question is what do you feel what in your view is a
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well-lived life this body this Incarnation I like Emerson’s uh definition of leaving the
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place a little better than when you came that’s lovely what do you suspect is the true
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nature of reality I think if you look at protons
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and neutrons elect and they break down into quirks and then they break down
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best we know into information packets and um and all at the very base of all
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of that it looks like it’s Consciousness and I think Consciousness is love so I’d say the love is the ground of
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reality okay how do you feel people can better be engaged with their Consciousness or
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love we know a lot of people are just going to work to pay attention to things like the beauty of nature beauty of
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Music beauty of how people care for each other and not listen to Broadcast News
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if you will and a lot of hype and stories that are fear generating and and
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that’s the external looking and inside I think meditation has a good place um as
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ability if the mind quiets that we begin to see we are more than our physical bodies our ego minds and what have you
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so you you have to almost or you’re invited to create a window into more of
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who you are before you have something like a heart attack that rearranges all your values or a near-death experience
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or or who knows what um you can get to the kinds of wisdoms and insights people
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have under crisis like that through something like a good meditation regime
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and I will make a commercial meditation is not always la la feel good
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relax because as you get more sensitive to yourself you might realize you might need to go through a divorce or you
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might need to change something ra radical in the marriage that you’re scared to bring up or you might need to
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have a conversation with your boss or your child that you don’t want to have or that the job is no fun anymore you
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know even though it has gold in their silver handcuffs to it in terms of what you get paid so meditation can bring up
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awareness of things that are not comfortable but if you make those changes most times people have an even
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Fuller life that was a long answer I’m sorry it has to be the secrets to life
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Joe they have to be piffy yeah be two words 42 or 43 what’s that yeah so when
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you die is there anything you hope to have
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answered or to to find out I’m actually hoping
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to get confirmation of feelings I’ve had before Life coming in when I’ve gotten
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in touch with that in meditation of deep deep knowing that all
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is in right order that at some level Beyond Good and Evil black and white
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wrong and right there’s a place where you know everything is praising everything so uh that’s where I will aim
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for because I I’ve had a taste of that and I think that is the actual that
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reality is a little realer it’s paradoxical there’s a book from middle Egyptian times called the
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cabilan and and the first truth is everything is a dream second is everything is real third is biggest
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mistake you can make is deciding one of those statements is truer than the other so there’s a paradoxical nature so you
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can’t say you know that the pain and suffering here are not real but my
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brother’s feeling and many people when I talk to them on the other side is lives here are like a blink of an eye over
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there and so they say don’t sweat the small stuff so much they know that while you’re living it it can seem agonizingly
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slow if you’re in the middle of a of a dental filling and the novocaine hasn’t
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taken effect but from over their perspective even 20 years of depression
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or whatever is like a blink of the eye so um I I hope to find
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um I know love is real and I hope to just find that I can embibe in it um
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well once I’m I have dropped the physical and I and I think that’ll be the
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case okay and this is a haale little question compared to that one but where
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but it’s important where can people find you and the good that you’re doing I
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have a website believe it or not I’m the only person in the world to have discovered that uh and it’s www dot and
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then the word sync Sy YN C like synchronize Sy YN C and then the word
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creation c a t o n so s y NC c a t
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n.com and um there there’s a lot of free articles about energy healing
1:00:55
psychokinesis is the things we’re talking about and then um a lot of individual meditations on download as
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well as that home study course um if person Googles if it’s easier to
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remember liquid luck that’s one probably my most uh bestselling book in
1:01:15
meditation so uh if you Google liquid luck you’ll find me as well okay and any
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last messages for the audience today um I think I’m going to end with one of
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my favorite sayings um and I even have it on the wall I can look at and that is fear is
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expensive love is priceless Choose Wisely so thank you fear is expensive
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and we’re we’re coming on an election we’re coming on issues of climate and whatever that people have very different
1:01:49
points of view on it but it can generate a lot of fear and if we make decisions
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out of fear um they’re not going to be as high quality as if we make them out of love
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so um I I’ll stick with that as my last words that’s beautiful that’s lovely oh
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thank you thank you so much for being with me today sure bye bye bye
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